The issue has never been that games can’t run on Linux.
It has always been a simple question of “will the games I want to play run?” More than ever, that answer is yes, but if your favorite game doesn’t, or if you never want to worry about “will this upcoming (online) game let me play on Linux?” then you use Windows by default.
Like, I love y’all, but the Linux gaming community on Lemmy is kinda insufferable with the straw-man “people think games can’t run on Linux” argument. That’s just not the issue
This has been my concern too. It’s great that we’re seeing some specific cases where Linux benchmarks faster than Windows, but that doesn’t mean a damn thing if the one thing I’m trying to play just full on won’t work.
Telling me that I can just also run Windows is counterproductive. If Windows will do everything I want, and Linux will do only some of what I want, now you’re trying to sell me on increased complexity and difficulties and learning a whole new system, without actually getting rid of the problems that come with running Windows in the first place.
I agree with you, which is why I impatiently await a wide release of SteamOS, which delivers a console-like experience for whatever hardware you want, and also the return of Steam Machines for dedicated hardware. I have ChimeraOS installed but it’s far from perfect.
Also I ran a small poll a while back and the vast majority use their PCs for more than just gaming (which makes sense) so we would need to see more Windows-exclusive software ported over to Linux before you could switch over entirely.
But obviously there is an entire market for consoles that Linux hasn’t really penetrated.
Personally I run a dual-boot system so I can have the best of both but I’m not sure Microsoft would approve of that being sold “out of the box”.
way back the issue most certainly was that though. There was a time when trying to run games with wine was a frustrating exercise that only resulted in a success in small minority of cases… which meant the answer was almost certainly negative when accounting for the additional restriction of trying to run the games you actually wished to be playing. Not everyone may remember this of course.
Exactly. If even one of my games doesn’t run, it’s already a pain in the ass. Might as well stay on windows so I don’t have to deal with the headache. They all run on windows. I’ll switch when they all run on Linux.
That’s why they specified online, because the cancer that is Easy-Anti Cheat has a teeny tiny checkbox saying “allow linux users” that is rarely if ever checked.
dunno, if we’re talking about easy anti-cheat, i’ve played insurgency: sandstorm, war thunder and hunt: showdown. Not a lot of games, but none of them had any issues
Plenty of games do check it! Which is why it’s excessively frustrating when other games consciously choose not to. There were a few hiccups initially but now as far as I’m aware it’s literally just the checkbox.
I really hate this "it’s just a checkbox* narrative. It’s bullshit. EAC functions very differently on Linux and it is ridiculous to assume that “it says EAC is on” = “game is secure”
Enabling Linux support does inherently allow more attack vectors that need to be secured that don’t need to be if it’s windows only. Linux works against these kinds of anticheats, as they’re working to get the most information out of the system as possible to prevent 3rd party programs from being run. This is a major design consideration in Linux not present in windows, so there is considerable extra work that has to be done, on top of already being much less effective on Linux than they are on windows.
“Linux is great for gaming. You only need to follow these 25 kernel configuration steps to combine three 3rd party applications and it runs just fine!”
The issue is they want to run rootkits and malware instead of games.
Not sorry. Siege, Fortnite, Valorant, all of these games require kernel level access to Windows to run, and the publishers refuse to support Windows.
The only reason I’d ever play games like this in the past is due to peer pressure from friends to play these shitty games together with a bunch of sweats, cheaters and an overall generally toxic community. Especially Siege.
Social peer pressure goes both ways. And I’ve basically peaced out on any of these games in my friends group. That was enough to end that game for game nights, and as those games fade from our memory. I make sure what little memory of it remains is the true tainted and awful form from which they originated.
If you need a kernel level anti-cheat for your game, and nothing else will protect it. Your game is shit, your development cycle is shit, your company is shit, your community is shit, and why would I ever want to play a shit game with shit people from a shit company that forces devs to work under a shit development cycle?
That is not, in fact, the issue. I don’t play any of those games and still can’t play all my games on Linux. I don’t allow kernel level anticheats on my system.
Oh, it’s the Linux-preaching guy again. He always tries to get us to switch to Linux. We just say “sorry mate, we can’t game on Linux” when we see him, he usually leaves us alone after that.
OP’s friends until now
look dude, you were friends with Steve and he died in 91, and he taught us to be more patient with you than you deserve. We don’t care that you’re on the spectrum, this is not okay. Every single time we go out you’re on that Linux shit. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. We’re tired of your shit, we don’t want to hear from you again, you can keep your Linux and shove it up your ass. Just stop bothering us about it.
The issue has never been that games can’t run on Linux. It has always been a simple question of “will the games I want to play run?” More than ever, that answer is yes, but if your favorite game doesn’t, or if you never want to worry about “will this upcoming (online) game let me play on Linux?” then you use Windows by default.
Like, I love y’all, but the Linux gaming community on Lemmy is kinda insufferable with the straw-man “people think games can’t run on Linux” argument. That’s just not the issue
This has been my concern too. It’s great that we’re seeing some specific cases where Linux benchmarks faster than Windows, but that doesn’t mean a damn thing if the one thing I’m trying to play just full on won’t work.
Telling me that I can just also run Windows is counterproductive. If Windows will do everything I want, and Linux will do only some of what I want, now you’re trying to sell me on increased complexity and difficulties and learning a whole new system, without actually getting rid of the problems that come with running Windows in the first place.
I agree with you, which is why I impatiently await a wide release of SteamOS, which delivers a console-like experience for whatever hardware you want, and also the return of Steam Machines for dedicated hardware. I have ChimeraOS installed but it’s far from perfect.
Also I ran a small poll a while back and the vast majority use their PCs for more than just gaming (which makes sense) so we would need to see more Windows-exclusive software ported over to Linux before you could switch over entirely.
But obviously there is an entire market for consoles that Linux hasn’t really penetrated.
Personally I run a dual-boot system so I can have the best of both but I’m not sure Microsoft would approve of that being sold “out of the box”.
way back the issue most certainly was that though. There was a time when trying to run games with wine was a frustrating exercise that only resulted in a success in small minority of cases… which meant the answer was almost certainly negative when accounting for the additional restriction of trying to run the games you actually wished to be playing. Not everyone may remember this of course.
@neatchee @linux_gaming
Exactly. If even one of my games doesn’t run, it’s already a pain in the ass. Might as well stay on windows so I don’t have to deal with the headache. They all run on windows. I’ll switch when they all run on Linux.
well, thanks to Gaben, new games working fine
That’s why they specified online, because the cancer that is Easy-Anti Cheat has a teeny tiny checkbox saying “allow linux users” that is rarely if ever checked.
dunno, if we’re talking about easy anti-cheat, i’ve played insurgency: sandstorm, war thunder and hunt: showdown. Not a lot of games, but none of them had any issues
Halo MCC was fixed too and now that works without issues online. It is good fun.
Plenty of games do check it! Which is why it’s excessively frustrating when other games consciously choose not to. There were a few hiccups initially but now as far as I’m aware it’s literally just the checkbox.
I really hate this "it’s just a checkbox* narrative. It’s bullshit. EAC functions very differently on Linux and it is ridiculous to assume that “it says EAC is on” = “game is secure”
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/09/epic-games-announce-full-easy-anti-cheat-for-linux-including-wine-a-proton/
But go off king
But go off king
Yeah, that’s not the whole story
Enabling Linux support does inherently allow more attack vectors that need to be secured that don’t need to be if it’s windows only. Linux works against these kinds of anticheats, as they’re working to get the most information out of the system as possible to prevent 3rd party programs from being run. This is a major design consideration in Linux not present in windows, so there is considerable extra work that has to be done, on top of already being much less effective on Linux than they are on windows.
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Oh yeah? Name 5.
No. Https://protondb.com
Name 6 more.
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https://www.protondb.com/explore?sort=releaseDate
“Linux is great for gaming. You only need to follow these 25 kernel configuration steps to combine three 3rd party applications and it runs just fine!”
Yeah it’s not like that anymore.
Step 1: Install Steam Step 2: Download games Step 3: Play games
If you have an AMD GPU and use Steam it’s mostly plug&play these days.
I have an Nvidia GPU and I don’t want to waste my already limited gaming time trying to make the games run smoothly.
I also have an Nvidia. It’s still plug-n-play. Everything runs fine.
Everything for you.
Get super fighters deluxe working and we’re talking.
Did you try this? https://www.protondb.com/app/855860
Gotta love ProtonDB. What an incredibly progressive project.
I did, didn’t work.
Bummer :(
Jam Mint or Pop OS on there and you will never in your life have to worry about a kernel to game. Not even once.
The issue is they want to run rootkits and malware instead of games.
Not sorry. Siege, Fortnite, Valorant, all of these games require kernel level access to Windows to run, and the publishers refuse to support Windows.
The only reason I’d ever play games like this in the past is due to peer pressure from friends to play these shitty games together with a bunch of sweats, cheaters and an overall generally toxic community. Especially Siege.
Social peer pressure goes both ways. And I’ve basically peaced out on any of these games in my friends group. That was enough to end that game for game nights, and as those games fade from our memory. I make sure what little memory of it remains is the true tainted and awful form from which they originated.
If you need a kernel level anti-cheat for your game, and nothing else will protect it. Your game is shit, your development cycle is shit, your company is shit, your community is shit, and why would I ever want to play a shit game with shit people from a shit company that forces devs to work under a shit development cycle?
That is not, in fact, the issue. I don’t play any of those games and still can’t play all my games on Linux. I don’t allow kernel level anticheats on my system.
Fortnite uses EAC that already run on Linux.
You’re actually the worst. I’m glad you don’t play my games.
If only one could have two OS on one machine and somehow boot into the one you want to play a game on.
Sure, but at the point you’re doing that the allure is lost on a lot of folks.
Why boot to two when they only want to play a game and one does it without needing the other.
This is an answer to a question that wasn’t posed.
All the inconvenience of Linux with all the inconvenience of Windows. You might as well throw MacOS on there, too.
It’s so weird, usually it’s Mac users saying that to me.
It’s a hassle, most people are one size fits all
Mine is not an argument asserting that people think games can’t run on Linux, mine is a mockery of the people who do so (I know several).
I find you insufferable too, don’t worry
You are mocking a straw-man. These people you refer to number in the dozens
I must’ve gotten lucky with my quarter of a dozen friends who do that…
Or they were making excuses
OP’s friends until now
OP’s friends after OP’s newly found pie charts
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