Western countries have for too long acquiesced to the Indian government’s abuses
Regardless if the guy deserved it or not, killing them in a country you are supposed to be on good terms with is not the way to go about it.
At this point India is barely even trying to hide it.
Also, the guy in question was a Canadian citizen.
That doesn’t really matter. What matters is that he was in Canada at the time.
I can see your point, but still feel that his being a citizen compounds the issue.
“the guy deserved it” should never be justification for a state to kill someone. Even if you think capital punishment is justified, it should only be after a fair trial. And, if someone has a capital punishment sentence against them, that’s only valid within their own borders.
If you violate a country’s monopoly of the use of force within their own borders, that’s a step on the path to war.
Yeah, extradition exists
What’s interesting is that India has been claiming the guy is a terrorist for years, but never really gave specific examples of what made him a terrorist other than his spouting separatist beliefs (which maybe is enough in India to arrest someone?)
But they also don’t seem to have bothered to even try to extradite him, which seems telling in itself.
Not only that, but Canada has proven its firm hand on this. When China went apeshit after Meng Wanzhou’s arrest in Canada to extradite her to the USA, Canada stuck to its guns. Even after two Canadians were taken hostage by the Chinese government in a retaliatory arrest, Meng stayed under arrest with her extradition going forward, while the rest of the world (including Modi’s India) politely looked the other way rather than angering China.
India cannot possibly claim they couldn’t have gotten results from Canada if they’d gone through the legal system.
Canada did not stick to any kind of guns, but was ordered by USA to kidnap Huawei CEO’s daughter, so that Trump could play around with China using Huawei as a “bargaining chip”. The way Meng was house arrested on airport by RCMP for about 350 days, despite Huawei having no faults regarding HSBC’s transactions with Iran, only tells Canada is like a little chained puppy for USA.
Please show us on this doll where this bad incident hurt you
Sorry for hurting you with facts.
The Huawei situation riles me up as having been someone who loved Huawei pushing the smartphone industry for many years, to where we are now, with a feature-rich camera app with timelapse, first to invent night mode, 40+ MP camera sensors, pixel binning tech, 10x periscope zoom, 4000+ mAh batteries in flagships, focus on large camera sensor size, amazing back designs and numerous other things they have done. If not for them, these other companies would have kept us stuck to 2 shitty cameras, 3000 mAh battery and subpar computational camera processing. Even Pixel’s HDR+ and Night Sight were highly “influenced” and derivative of Huawei’s innovations.
Well, this is one of the creepier capitalist product monologues I’ve seen in a while.
another comment closer to the enshittified dystopia
Talking about innovation is not fanboyism.
If you think this is fanboy defense, you can freely assume that since you are deluded. Each of those things I mentioned have carried over to every phonemaker over the years, and have received praise from everyone. Talking about innovations is not fanboyism.
It’s too early to confirm who did it, but it looks like it just happened again:
An alleged (edit: alleged by India) Khalistani terrorist was just murdered in his home in Winnepeg.
And all the Indian news outlets are claiming the guy was a gangster and that this was a gang-related shooting. Meanwhile the local Winnipeg police are just like “Uh, we have no evidence on that as of yet and have made no statements about that, where the frick are you getting this claim from?”
Yeah, I updated the headline to make it clear that the allegations were by India, because people were rightly pointing out that “alleged Khalistani terrorist” was giving them too much credit.
India’s getting blatant and nobody cares because of China.
Nobody deserves death, however much me way wish it. Humans dole it out in spades, though.
I respectfully disagree for rare cases. Some people are just plain evil, according to modern sensibilities.
Modi isn’t exactly subtle about anything.
e: modi not MIDI
But Russia told them they did it all the time and nothing ever came of it.
never previously in the friendly and orderly West.
Well, started reading the article, got to this line and cringed.
It is a vague reference that they are following the route of China and Russia by ignoring and abusing the laws of western states.
Oh no, its a clear reference to the blind eye the west & the world has turned to the ongoing genocide of Muslims & Christians in India by Modi govt & the Hindu supremacist thugs it supports.
A valid point but the emphasis in the statement is that it is an “explosive charge” this week. Those murders have been going on for decades. This is about the change in the audacity of these crimes.
It’s very hard to care when religious people kill each other. They are clinically insane due to trauma from abuse in their childhood and are very unlikely to recover. The best we can do is to protect children from these evil cults.
The laws of Western states that the West only selectively follows? Gee…
If I go to another country I follow the laws of that state. It is called respect.
What if the state itself doesn’t follow those laws?
yes, that line had me laughing too.
For a kinder and friendlier colonism.
As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don’t want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.
The thing is we’re scared of China and you’re the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.
If the west is scared of China, then India’s PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China’s name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country’s ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.Maybe I should have said historical ideological similarities. India has been a democracy, which makes you seem much more trustworthy than China. Democracy is having a hard time in many places right now, though.
You may be wrong in understanding geopolitics, just like every other Indian. I am also an Indian, and a leftist at that, and let me explain to you Modi’s motive behind China simping.
Modi understands very well that he is the face of BJP and the Hindutva neofascist ideological movement, and that BJP is falling out of favour with the masses. Hence why today he passed the women reservation bill, which was introduced few days ago. This is to sugarcoat the horrific Manipur issue, and to gain women’s votebank for elections next year.
Now, to come to why he made ANI release that video statement of how nothing happened at borders (Galwan and 40 soldiers), he did this because he realises there is a sentiment in the underbelly of many Indians against “angrej” aka Western devil, reminding of the trauma of British Raj 200 year colonisation period (hence why all these nationalist biopic movies on theaters for the past 5-6 years), so that he can capitalise on that sentiment. The core reason, however, is that Modi and Indian thinktanks see BRICS+ has won over the NATO western alliance as far as global power dynamics is concerned, and India to date has been a liberal softpower that simps for west, and one that west always tries to weaponise as a counter to China’s toppling of USA on the global stage.
Modi is doing this as a two stones one bird move – to get along with China and Russia, as the second fiddle economically to China and third fiddle militarily to Russia and China, and to seal the fate of NATO that is trying to latch onto India for years as a method to counter China, and to rile up China by militarily funding Taiwan right now. He is doing this so that he and BJP get immortalised as the ones making India a core part of the new dominant global hegemon (fueling his whole vishwaguru populist propaganda).
This also buys RSS/VHP more time for the 2024 Hindu Rashtra/Caliphate vision, to convert this country over time by installing a complete framework of ISIS style neofascist terror state, which will make Taliban look like a children’s playground. The country has fallen into the wrong hands at the wrong time, and the price of rightwing Hindutva casteism will be payed by the country after centuries, if INDIA alliance does not win the next year’s election to give us some breathing room to de-poison our mass media and social culture.
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I understand your point of view but don’t you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don’t you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.
That would be good. The thing is spies are involved, so I don’t know if all the evidence he can see will be released for decades. I don’t think the Prime Minister would have brought it up at all unless he had to, given how terrible this is for everybody.
What do you think, would the Indian government do this? There are a lot of Khalistan supporters in Canada and it seems like Hindutva would argue for a very tough treatment of that, but I’m not Indian.
I am a common citizen I literally have no internal knowledge, especially in these top secret national security stuff. As a sane human being what I can say is that incentive to commit the alleged crime is there. That doesn’t necessarily mean we actually did it. And yes as a society currently we are in ultra nationalistic clusterf**k. So public sentiment is there to support this kind nefarious behavior domestically.
It is really unfortunate situation. At one hand it’s foolish to blindly believe anyone (irrespective of their designation county or affiliation) without concrete evidence, especially regarding issues as serious as this. On the other hand I also kinda understand how hard it is to make espionage related evidences publicly available, even for world leaders. In any case, diplomacy from both sides failed us. Knee jerk reactions in international relationship seldom help.
Above all, what I would like to point out is that, this is a kind of situation where nobody wins.
Yes, absolutely agreed.
The news was going to leak, so he decided to get ahead of it. He very much would have preferred to finish the investigation first
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/harjit-sajjan-hardeep-singh-nijjar-1.6971605
Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607
Our government has not released a single statement saying ‘we didn’t do it’ AFAIK. Let us know if you find any.
Fair enough, I see where you’re coming from and fully expect some proof. I do however have doubts that any proof will ever be conclusive enough to convince people and certainly not enough to get Modi to admit the truth if his govt is truly behind it. So what will providing proof accomplish anyway? Not providing proof might be a tactic to elicit lies that can be demonstrated as such through a trickle release of proof, enough to prove that the deniers are liars.
At the end of the day, Canada is a sovereign country and they are free to level a number of consequences against a foreign government if they so desire, including sanctions, visa restrictions, and so on. The only proof they need is for themselves, and to take action that will protect Canadians from foreign assassinations in the future. Canada really does not have to prove anything to India, especially if they do not believe the Indian govt is acting in good faith.
So what will providing proof accomplish anyway?
I don’t agree. Something is better than nothing, even if things are heavily redacted. I as a common man may not interprete them adequately but there are people who can. Especially people from the intelligece community can check and somewhat verify if there is anything plausible with respect to the accusitions. This important for the allies of the Canada too. Canada is a member five eyes, so they can definitely validate their gathered intels with the likes of UK, US if the evidence deemed unfit for public release. So far I have not seen any of those countries conclusively made statements that they validated Canada’s allegations. The investigation is ongoing anyway.
It does not matter whether Indian PM admits it or not if evidence is there and the international community verified and largely accepts it as truth. So far I haven’t seen this happen.
Off course Canada can do whatever they choose in their jurisdiction. For example, many countries creates travel advisory for their citizens regarding which countries are deemed safe / not safe for them to travel to. If country X says that country Y is unsafe for their citizens to travel to, it’s perfectly fine. However, that doesn’t mean country Y is universally unsafe. But, when it comes to international relations we can’t just hurl allegation to another sovereign country without any evidence, independent verification / backing. Because tomorrow country Z can allege something outrageous about country A without evidence, will the international community accept that without questions as well?
Personally I feel diplomacy from both sides have failed us. It’s their job to handle these things more gracefully.
I understand, it sounds like you are concerned for India’s international reputation in light of these allegations, and rightfully so. It’s unfair from the perspective of a common citizen that your country gets flamed like this without proof, and insulting that people just say “well it’s Canada, they aren’t lying”.
It’s just that I trust my government and institutions and I believe them. Biden and Trudeau both spoke to Modi before this was released. Journalists in Canada were going to release this if the government didn’t. I truly believe that handling it this way was bad for Canada too, so I don’t see an incentive for Canada to lie which I do see for the Indian govt. Don’t forget that other countries have their own relationships with India and will make their own decisions about supporting the allegations, not necessarily in light of the quality of proof but rather for pragmatic reasons. I think this whole affair will be painful for normal people in both countries, so in that sense you’re absolutely right that diplomacy failed.
Still I’m curious: what do you think would be the reaction if the allegations turn out to be true?
Yes, I am aware that CBC was going to go public with their report and they notified Trudeau beforehand. I watched the interview of the CBC journalist by Karan Thapar.
It is indeed painful and unfortunate for everyone. I understand that geopolitics is extremely complicated, it’s not as straightforward as asking the allies to back the claims based on evidences alone.
I don’t see an incentive for Canada to lie.
That’s a bit debatable. There are speculation that Trudeau is doing this to win popularity among the Sikh community in Canada. It is obvious that his government needs their support. So there might be a internal political pressure as well. Not to mention Canada has an upcoming federal election in 2025.
I’m not saying this is the case. But as you said you trust your government and you see no reasons for them to lie. Similarly many people from the other sidr can choose to believe in their government too. There are plausible speculations on the both sides. But plausibility rarely helps, instead often introduces biases in our thinking. That’s why producing evidence is extremely important. I hope Canada do provide some evidence which is accepted by international community. I’ll give you an example. In case of Jamal Khashoggi killing Saudí Arabia never admitted any wrongdoings. But from the evidences we all know what happened and who did what. So, as a concerned human being is it unreasonable to ask something similar in this case as well?
I’m not a representative of my Government so I can’t really say what they’ll do in case the evidences are rightfully presented. But my experience with the current government and my common sense tells me that they will try their best to wiggle out of the allegations and evidences. But that doesn’t matter, what matters is whether international community accepts the evidence provided by Canada or not.
If India indeed commited the alleged crime, I want my fellow citizens to know that and see how international community vetted the evidences. So that they can judge wisely in our next election and vote accordingly. As I said in my original comment, I don’t want to see my country degrades itself to the level of CIA, Mossad or FSB.
Sounds like there’s a bit more confirmation that Canada was actually correct and not making it up, since other international parties seem to have looked into it: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/diaspora/us-envoy-confirms-canada-received-intelligence-from-five-eyes-partners-before-trudeau-went-public-with-allegations-against-india-547068
In that case, Indian govt is also free to retaliate since no country is just going to keep diplomatic relations one-way.
What evidence do you want to see about a state-sponsored assassination? It’s happened twice now and you think it’s an accident?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-homicide-victim-wanted-india-1.6975772
Just yesterday.
IIn the past ndia has never been a terrorist country, not even at the worst provocation. But the current regime is fascist and Modi is desperate. As Governor Satya Pal Malik has said about India’s PM Modi ‘he can do anything, he can go to any extent’.
And if we didn’t there should be equally measured consequences for the once who made acquisitions without adequate proof
India’s Modi govt that practices domestic terrorism on its own citizens within india, wants to make India known as a terrorist state in the global stage.
modi isnt humble and so isnt his government. modis shitty support for russia is wrong. he has already lost touch with reality. i think the image of india in the west is falling rapidly, but i am sure modiist know why everyone else is wrong. time to rename the country. it is no longer happy nice india, bad bahRAT.
India’s image is better now than ever
The main news I see about India is religious hate or rape tbh.
That is what Modi’s fascism and Hindu supremacism has turned India into.
It’s rape all the way down, Randy.
Hahaha. Oh wait you’re serious? Let me laugh even harder! HAHAHAHA!
bhakt’s and their whatsapp ‘knowledge’ are indeed hilarious.
It isn’t? So are you saying when India was much much poorer it was better off?
If you read RBI’s reports, you’d know that India is at its poorest now. Modi’s political party & his donors & favoured capitalists are wealthier, but the rest of India is at its poorest.
Excuse me but India is not at all poorer now than it was even a decade ago, you’d have to be insane to say something as ignorant as that. No one in India even denies India is poor, but no one in India would ever say that it was better before Modi
For facts, read CAG’s & RBI’s reports, For fiction, read whatsapp,
I don’t use CCP controlled apps thanks
Hahahahaaha
Do you get your news from WhatsApp forwards?
If Canada follows the 9/11 protocol, they would invade pakistan
Nah, too close to India. Invade Iran on bullshit pretenses that have a tenuous connection with the situation even taken at face value.
but in old Canadian fashion, we’re just going to bend over and take it
The PM is literally calling them out in public and starting crap with the Modi administration over it.
Is there any evidence that India ordered the assassination?
If there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
But something must be there if the Canadian government is making this statement instead of ignoring it. Sounds like the media was going to push the story anyway, but they got ahead of it.
The USA already said they aren’t distancing themselves from it and working with Canada with this.
We will see how things turn out, but things are pointing to more than likely India did something. Especially with the swarm of comments/bots pulling the whole “well he deserved it” and “hypocrites” all over.
Yeah, Canada and its closest allies (US, UK, etc.) have absolutely every reason to not want to stir the pot with India, considering India is considered critical in countering China in Asia. It’d be insane to pull a stunt like this unless they actually have damning evidence. I guess we’ll all see what comes of this with time, but I’m strongly inclined to believe Canada for now.
That and India’s response has basically been bald-faced whataboutism and “bUt He WaS a TeRrOriSt”. Doesn’t exactly endear me to believing India had nothing to do with this.
Yeah the propaganda is definitely out. I think I read some articles claiming Canada is a hotbed for extremism according to some Indian officials?
I’m like, that’s not a strong denial of what’s going on.
If there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
Plus, there’s probably spies involved.
If there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
Then Trudeau should have kept his trap shut about it until he had the ability to produce hard evidence. Now, he may have even compromised the investigation, or made a fool of himself if this investigation exonerates India hfsctually or due to geopolitical ‘compulsions’).
It’s a stupid hill to die on.
Yes, Canadian government says they have it.
Their highest profile crime besides T-Series.
And I had a conversation just last week where I verbatim said ‘Canada isn’t going to war with anyone. I mean, can you imagine?’
Well, now who has egg on their face.
Sounds like a terrorist who got assassinated in a foreign country.
Anyway this OP has a vendetta against India. They have yet to comment on all the atrocities being carried out by Muslim governments daily.
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Whataboutism.
Yeah, what about them?
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it’s hypocrisy for sure
but that doesn’t make it less bad
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What other abuses by the Indian government have they aquiesced to?
We have done what now? India has only been a country since like 1947, what are these long trains of abuses you refer to here in the west? Chippendales?
Don’t worry, there won’t be. Canada has been allowing itself to be a pushover for a while now
prove me wrong, people.
You’re right. The consequences should be more akin to the consequences Saudi Arabia felt for murdering Khashoggi—oh, wait…
All you gotta do is pay off key politicians
What, you mean like when Canada stuck to it’s guns with the arrest of Meng Wanzhou even after the hostages were taken?
Or like how Canada hasn’t had diplomatic relations with the Saudis since 2018 when Canada refused to stop calling them out on their human rights abuses?
Or the time they had the incident with KSA over Kashoggi.
Fashy undertones.
Also fashy over and mid -tones
Canada’s fascist roots are going to be impossible to hide when dealing with this sort of thing.
EDIT because apparently the obvious “they were going to find a way let them get away with it” wasn’t unhinged enough for the internet to have it as their first thought.
How is Canada fascist?
I thought Trudeau was a commie.
I know they don’t teach people about the mass genocide the country was built on, but this is fucking ridiculous.
Woah buddy I’m not engaging in this conversation.
Have a good one.
Understandable, that one always ruffles the feathers of the chromatically challenged.
No it just sounds like you’re implying India was justified in assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil because Canada has done bad things in its past.
I don’t want anything to do with this conversation.
Well fuck no wonder it got downvoted so hard.
