The foreign minister called a 10-point blueprint promoted by Kyiv ānot feasibleā, and added that a UN proposal to revive the Ukraine grain deal would not work.
Thatās not the point. The point is whether Ukraineās peace plan makes sense in the context of the current situation in Ukraine. It doesnāt, and frankly itās an indication that Ukraine really doesnāt want peace right now because they dont think they have the leverage to demand a fair peace.
Ukraine know well enough that if Putin gets anything from this war, the next one is just a few years away. If they were to ever give him the slightest bit of territory theyād get peace for a couple of years only. Why do people like you not understand this?
Then why have a peace blueprint in the first place? By your description, Ukraine has no reason whatsoever to ask for peace. Why propose a peace blueprint?
But why? Why would Russia invade again in a few years? Whatās the logic behind that? Just āputler badā, ārussia badā. Or is there any actual reasoning on why?
Because they won territory. If you win territory in a dispute, itās much easier to sell the whole conflict as a win to your population. If you come home empty-handed, itās much more difficult.
Tell me: if the war concludes and Russia gets territory, why wouldnāt they do it again? Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist. If Russia sees that their previous invasion netted them territory, how is that not a confirmation that they can win territory by invading other countries?
Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist
Thenā¦ they failed? Youāre saying that if they win, they fail. Or at least, they canāt win hard enough to actually get what they want.
Youāre also assuming Russia wants territory. If Russia wanted, say, Ukraine not being admitted to NATO, and they can get a peace that ensures that, then there isnāt a reason for them to invade again. Or if Russia wanted UKR to stop shelling the eastern regions, then annexing just them might stop that, in which case, they donāt have any reason to invade again.
Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist
Thenā¦ they failed? Youāre saying that if they win, they fail. Or at least, they canāt win hard enough to actually get what they want.
Sorry, but I donāt understand what youāre trying to say here. If, for example, one reason for the initial attack was enlarging their area for more natural resources, why would they fail even if they win? Itās incredibly naive to think their goal is something boolean, that you either achieve or donāt. If your goal is to get more land, you can win once - and then invade again. How is this not obvious to you?
Youāre also assuming Russia wants territory. If Russia wanted, say, Ukraine not being admitted to NATO, and they can get a peace that ensures that, then there isnāt a reason for them to invade again.
Then why didnāt Russia make this offer after a couple of days? Why is Russia not indicating that this is any kind of option? They are the aggressor, they have the power to stop this, especially if they say what they want.
Or if Russia wanted UKR to stop shelling the eastern regions, then annexing just them might stop that, in which case, they donāt have any reason to invade again.
How in the world do you believe an invasion into a neighbouring country to reduce the likelihood of āshelling eastern regionsā?
Russia is rapidly becoming a weak vassal state of China because of Ukraine. If thatās not leverage, I donāt know what isā¦the war is very stupid for Putin to continue.
At this point the war is a stalemate. Given that, Ukraineās requirements for peace areā¦ well they donāt have the āwar-scoreā to try for those options yet. TBH I donāt think they want peace without those requirements, and Russia isnāt beat enough to agree. So peace is just off the table for now. Which suggests it was never a serious offer anyway.
This was is absolutely not at a stalemate. Ukraine just wasted their offensive capability and all the weapons they received in an offensive that failed to accomplish anything. If people seriously think that Russia isnāt going to go on an offensive of their own with the 400k troops they assembled, theyāre in for a big surprise.
Whoops! Russia has lost. The only question is how much more will it lose. Believe for that reason? the peace offer is probably 100% serious, though I guess Ukraine could be planning some kind of trick.
They had one a year ago, that was probably far more favorable than anything they will see now, until their minders shot it down.
This isnāt even close to being a a legitimate peace proposal, at best it is an attempt to spin a ālook, those mean Russians wonāt accept peace!ā news story. Thereās nothing even resembling a concession, it reads more like a demand for unconditional surrender.
the alternative is cookers and tankies, just yourself, continue to feature in hilarious drone bomb videos, which provide ample entertainment. are you ok with hundreds of thousands more mobiks being blown up for my entertainment?
Yes exactly, how dare a defending country propose a peace plan, the nerve of those Ukrainians wanting peace for Ukraine and fellow Ukrainians.
Thatās not the point. The point is whether Ukraineās peace plan makes sense in the context of the current situation in Ukraine. It doesnāt, and frankly itās an indication that Ukraine really doesnāt want peace right now because they dont think they have the leverage to demand a fair peace.
Ukraine know well enough that if Putin gets anything from this war, the next one is just a few years away. If they were to ever give him the slightest bit of territory theyād get peace for a couple of years only. Why do people like you not understand this?
Then why have a peace blueprint in the first place? By your description, Ukraine has no reason whatsoever to ask for peace. Why propose a peace blueprint?
What the hell is a āpeace blueprintā? Your russian translator not working correctly?
The comment you replied to also answers your question. If that answer isnāt satisfactory, please spell out why.
But why? Why would Russia invade again in a few years? Whatās the logic behind that? Just āputler badā, ārussia badā. Or is there any actual reasoning on why?
Did we forget Russia invaded and captured Crimea and then said they had no further desires to expand or wage more war against Ukraine? GTFO
Then the ethic Russian people of the Donbas kept getting bombed and murdered by the Ukrainian military so Russia was compelled to step in.
Because they won territory. If you win territory in a dispute, itās much easier to sell the whole conflict as a win to your population. If you come home empty-handed, itās much more difficult.
Tell me: if the war concludes and Russia gets territory, why wouldnāt they do it again? Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist. If Russia sees that their previous invasion netted them territory, how is that not a confirmation that they can win territory by invading other countries?
Thenā¦ they failed? Youāre saying that if they win, they fail. Or at least, they canāt win hard enough to actually get what they want.
Youāre also assuming Russia wants territory. If Russia wanted, say, Ukraine not being admitted to NATO, and they can get a peace that ensures that, then there isnāt a reason for them to invade again. Or if Russia wanted UKR to stop shelling the eastern regions, then annexing just them might stop that, in which case, they donāt have any reason to invade again.
Sorry, but I donāt understand what youāre trying to say here. If, for example, one reason for the initial attack was enlarging their area for more natural resources, why would they fail even if they win? Itās incredibly naive to think their goal is something boolean, that you either achieve or donāt. If your goal is to get more land, you can win once - and then invade again. How is this not obvious to you?
Then why didnāt Russia make this offer after a couple of days? Why is Russia not indicating that this is any kind of option? They are the aggressor, they have the power to stop this, especially if they say what they want.
How in the world do you believe an invasion into a neighbouring country to reduce the likelihood of āshelling eastern regionsā?
Russia is rapidly becoming a weak vassal state of China because of Ukraine. If thatās not leverage, I donāt know what isā¦the war is very stupid for Putin to continue.
At this point the war is a stalemate. Given that, Ukraineās requirements for peace areā¦ well they donāt have the āwar-scoreā to try for those options yet. TBH I donāt think they want peace without those requirements, and Russia isnāt beat enough to agree. So peace is just off the table for now. Which suggests it was never a serious offer anyway.
This was is absolutely not at a stalemate. Ukraine just wasted their offensive capability and all the weapons they received in an offensive that failed to accomplish anything. If people seriously think that Russia isnāt going to go on an offensive of their own with the 400k troops they assembled, theyāre in for a big surprise.
Ukraine did nothing of those things. Your addiction to Putin propaganda is just showing.
Putin propagandists mustāve infiltrated the highest echelons of liberal western media, because hereās what theyāve been saying
Your utter lack of understanding of the subject youāre opining on is just showing.
Whoops! Russia has lost. The only question is how much more will it lose. Believe for that reason? the peace offer is probably 100% serious, though I guess Ukraine could be planning some kind of trick.
They had one a year ago, that was probably far more favorable than anything they will see now, until their minders shot it down.
This isnāt even close to being a a legitimate peace proposal, at best it is an attempt to spin a ālook, those mean Russians wonāt accept peace!ā news story. Thereās nothing even resembling a concession, it reads more like a demand for unconditional surrender.
the alternative is cookers and tankies, just yourself, continue to feature in hilarious drone bomb videos, which provide ample entertainment. are you ok with hundreds of thousands more mobiks being blown up for my entertainment?
Least bloodthirsty fascist.
keep the compilations coming mobiks