420blazeit69 [he/him]

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Cake day: April 9th, 2021

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  • The “guilty until proven innocent” part highlights a tactic to push back on manufactured claims of genocide paired with smears of genocide denial: genocide is a formally defined crime, just like murder. Just like murder, you start with a presumption of innocence – that is, you start by denying the accusation, and it is on the accuser to prove what happened.

    In cases like the Holocaust (or Palestine today) you have a mountain of evidence. You have countless eyewitnesses backed by film, sometimes video, and almost always official statements or internal documents showing intent.

    In China you have significant motivation and credibility questions about the much smaller number of witnesses, you don’t have anything like the photographic documentation of the Holocaust, you have some blurry satellite photos of… something despite the U.S. having spy satellites that can read a license plate, and your official statements (that are themselves backed by significant evidence) are about combating radicalization through development.

    In short, there is actually a live question about the credibility and weight of the evidence. You do have to engage with the evidence and not simply take the accusation at face value, just like you would at a murder trial.


  • The thing about genocide is that the concept was formalized as a crime, meaning you do actually have a burden of proof, and you do actually have to provide evidence, and requiring, examining, and weighing the evidence is no more offensive than requiring, examining, and weighing the evidence against someone accused of murder.

    And you do actually have to do this analysis, because “genocide” is thrown around all over the place as a political tactic, and plenty of accusations are bullshit (or are you a genocide denier if you call bullshit on the accusation of white genocide in South Africa?).





  • It comes back to how deeply rooted American Exceptionalism is in the American psyche. There’s this idea that you can always win, in fact you are supposed to win, so if you lose it’s because you made a mistake. There’s no such thing as a no-win scenario, and there’s no such thing as doing everything you can but losing to an opponent who also knows what they’re doing.

    The easiest place to see this mentality is in American sports fans. The opinion “the other guys are professionals too and are sometimes just better” is always in the extreme minority. And people are more tribal and less rational about nationalism than sports fandom.







  • How about firsthand testimony that can be corroborated. If you’ve ever been in court for anything, it’s standard to not simply take whatever story you hear at face value.

    So point to a story you’re saying is true, then show how it can be corroborated (by video? by documentation?). Show how there is no realiatic alternate explanation. Explain how your corroborated story amounts to genocide, and isn’t just a story about someone being arrested, for instance.



  • 99% of the time, calling someone a genocide denier is just burden shifting. Genocide is a crime; you have to prove it happened, you can’t simply assert it did and then smear anyone who asks for evidence.

    We have spy satellites that can read a license plates and genocides, by their very nature, leave a lot of evidence. If there were a genocide in Xinjiang we’d have what we see in Palestine: tons of documentation in a wide variety of news outlets about crimes against civilians and actions like UN officials resigning in protest.