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Yeah you get what I mean about her being THE child killer here lol.

Even the average person would’ve fucking killed her given the chance. This is Breivik. He’s a monster and someone absolutely would try and have him given the chance.

Being a child killer among other people that have committed murders but still have some principles is usually not good. Not to mention being like THE child killer in Norway not just any child killer.

I’m British, THE child killer here would’ve been Myra Hindley, would I have killed her in prison? Yes. Yes I would. I’m pretty sure there’s some fairly rough guys in there that would not take kindly to a person that slaughtered 69 kids one by one by one at a fucking summer camp.

So many good future socialists died that day. I completely guarantee someone kills the fucker if he is mixed in with everyone.

Not really sure why you think Norwegians are ontologically predisposed to not want to kill child mass murderers tbh.

Stop with the “one of us europeans” bollocks.

I’m from europe and this post is 100% accurate.

There is literally no “ad hominem” in that entire fucking comment, telling you that you don’t know about something (ignorance) is not ad hominem, dickhead. If you’re going to do reddit-tier debate-pervert shit to deliberately keep yourself in ignorance of factual information and stop yourself from ever learning anything then at least get your fucking debate-pervert shit correct.

This comment is ad hominem. Loser.

Post was written at 4am. Genuinely not sure what I meant. No challenge can be made to resolution 1718 though because it includes the requirement for the DPRK to stop developing nuclear weapons and icbms, and that’s a non-option.

Lol I can see that working.

It’s fucking weird though thinking about France being on their Fifth republic over a period since the 1700s and these 6 occurring in… 60 years.

It is impossible for any normal unpropagandised person to look at this scenario and not see something is up that’s worth scrutinising.

Ahh yes 6th. Working from memory in most of my responses and without checking I’m pretty bad at dates and numbers tbh. It’s worse with african countries though I am one of the people that mixes up their histories all the time to my great shame. I don’t even know why it happens, I don’t do it with south american countries.

The general point stands, the stability of their government is directly tied to whether or not they’re doing what the americans want. And whenever things aren’t going precisely as desired the coups happen incredibly easily. By design.

they both suck, dude.

Why though? What makes you think that other than “in bad country it is bad” ?

What actual things do you know about this country that drives you to have such an emotional reaction? Do you have this reaction about any south american countries or african countries? Many of them are capitalist countries that are significantly worse off for their people. Why is your emotional reaction significantly different for this one in particular?

The answer is propaganda. Your assessment is not a levelheaded on based on any real educated understanding of the data in comparison with other countries. Your assessment is based on feels acquired through the popular beliefs. Guess where those popular beliefs come from? The same place yours have come from, with the same level of understanding that you have. It’s ignorant feels all the way down. Created by the strongest media propaganda machine ever devised in history.

Is any of this to say that it’s all fucking rosey over there? Fuck no. Most of us are not juche and believe in a mixed market approach like what is being undertaken in Cuba, Vietnam, or China. We mostly have large criticisms of the isolated approach. But does that mean we buy into all the bullshit spread in the west and perpetuate it uncritically? Also no. That’s what you’re seeing here. People countering the utterly ignorant western bullshit liberals spew isn’t an explicit endorsement of the country, but an attempt to get people to calm the fuck down about it and look at it in a more measured way.

A failed state that has a starving population

This is not correct. Food security in the country has drastically improved and continues to improve - FAO data - Unicef data - both support this position.

By choice.

No? The reason it’s ostracised is a UN vote that was successfully passed that has never been challenged since because the DPRK is not in or allowed to join the UN, any attempt to would be immediately veto’d by the west. This is called 1718.

Wild to me how many replies you’re getting that defend North Korea

You see, this here is a problem. You consider simply stating factually true things that people are generally unaware of to be “defending north korea”. You live in ignorance and seek to maintain that ignorance in other people rather than view the situation in a more balanced and academic way.

South Korea is on its FIFTH version of the country because the US continually coups it whenever the existing people aren’t doing exactly what they want. It’s called the Fifth Republic for a fucking reason. It is an occupied vassal state entirely subservient to the USA and has been ever since the US genocided one fifth of the population of Korea (all of Korea). Keep in mind that being on your FIFTH republic is remarkable when the southern dictatorship was only first formed in 1948.

The US military has also literally run korean children over with tanks, which is very funny given that this is fake propaganda levelled at another enemy of the US, but in the case of america it’s actually fucking true.

Define authority. All governments utilise authority.

It’s only hilarious if you’re highly propagandised and have never examined any of the absolutely ridiculous propaganda that has led you to feel the way you do about them such as:

Using anti aircraft guns for executions (“according to south korean media” lmao)

They have to push the trains

They all have to get the same haircut

Or that they’re aggressive or something? Like what? How many wars has Korea been in since the US killed 1 fifth of its entire population in the biggest post-holocaust genocide the world has ever seen?

The shit you believe is ridiculous, why do you believe this shit? Why have you never actually said “that sounds fucking stupid”? You don’t examine anything critically at all. You just go with the flow because you’ve seen everyone else be hyper negative about it and never really actually stopped and thought about any of these utterly ridiculous things.

In the meantime, the US is responsible for starting 205 out of 248 conflicts between ww2 and 2010. And yet the DPRK is supposedly a bad rogue state? You’re out of your mind, you do not apply the same principles to one of these countries vs the other, you are guided by FEELS based on whatever propaganda has successfully taken hold in the population. You aren’t really guided by facts or real accessible information we have via the worldbank data and the UN.

It’s particularly funny yeah. There was later a suicide at the Shenzhen foxconn plant but I think it was only 1 or 2 there that were only notable because of the 10+ in a single week that occurred at the Taiwan plant, followed by dozens of others spread out. Libs like to pretend the major issue was on the mainland by using the Shenzhen plant when the reality is this all mainly occurred because taiwan has significantly worse regulations and is sussy as fuck when it comes to their behaviour to outside people. Let’s not forget the nazi parades in schools.

China, Laos, and Vietnam: now notoriously capitalists. Workers work 12+ hours with no protection in horrible factory conditions. Suicide rates are so high that suicide nets are installed.

I just want to say it’s really funny that libs refer to Taiwan as China when it suits them. The specific Foxconn factory that was the center of this mess was in Taiwan and universities produced an 84 page report that investigated the matter when it blew up, one of the major reasons cited for the suicides in the report was discrimination against mainlanders occurring within the “labour camp” (their words) that was being operated there where taiwanese were privileged over mainlanders used for cheaper labour that they could exploit harder thanks to taiwan’s administration being dogshit on regulations. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20100921055650/http://hk.stockstar.com/2010/05/2510087523186.shtml

Lol. Lmao.

Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.

You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.

See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.

I’m going to repost something from @[email protected], maybe you’ll read some of it.

The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.

CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”

BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”

NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.

REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.

200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops..

A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”

Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.

Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”

The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 (translated here) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.

Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.

What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?

The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.

Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.

Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.

In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”

I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.

Even the western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative, which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.

The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.

Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.

This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.

Learn properly: https://archive.ph/24zzF

On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true

I also strongly recommend https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang as another option.

There were also a number of extremely large google docs projects but I don’t have links to them, others might.

I met a nazi sharing links to blahaj content on telegram the other day, was a real “oops caught you in the wild” moment.

Reading hundreds of communist theory books and joining a democratic centralist party just to fool the libs.

Not sure exactly what we’re supposed to be achieving by doing Hexbear and so perfectly engaging in communist discourse and advocating for literally every single downtrodden and oppressed group on the planet if it’s all fake? For what purpose? Surely doing that all so perfectly is just… Advocacy. Digital activism. It’s not a game if you do it so hard it just becomes exactly what you’re doing.