• leave_it_blank@lemmy.world
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    In Germany the streets are far too often a fight for survival. I miss the Netherlands, driving there, bike or car, was so much more relaxing.

    But, you know, Germans and their cars…

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      In my experience the bike infrastructure was great, but riding the bike in the city was more stressful than in Germany.

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        My gramps used to think even looking at his cars was asking permission to drive or touch them. “Nein!”

        He was gregarious at all other times, but “don’t go in my fucking garage”

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      as a car driver, i have no problems with bike drivers themselves. i hate whoever thought 1 lane and a thin sidewalk was enough road.

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        Gets you to slow down and pay attention to your surroundings, doesn’t it? That’s the point, if you build roads that feel cramped to drivers they’ll naturally drive slower (i.e. actually the speed limit). Building all streets like they’re highways is a good way to get people going 50-60 mph on roads with houses directly on them.

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          it’s also a great way to put people’s lives at risk. i don’t think anyone thought of what you’re describing.

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            No, that’s explicitly the reason for it, and it’s been shown to reduce the severity of crashes because people drive the speed limit when they feel it’s risky to go faster.

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              so swerving into oncoming traffic is safe? i had numerous near crashes because people overtook a bike driver coming my way. the netherlands do it better, the bikes have their own separated lane.

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          11:17 is the timestamp that is most relevant here, separated bike paths should be the norm. and not the shitty “fahrradschutzsstreifen” bullshit they are pulling in germany. i have to swerve around people going not even 20km/h when i’m going 50. there’s no way that reduces accidents. the netherlands rock. i went on a vacation there a few years ago. public transport is so much better there. (key phrase “viable alternative”)

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    In Europe you don’t need countries for this. The smallest federal country will have a clear difference on the road at the border of two federated entities. Worst, it can happen between municipalities in some countries.

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      Worst, it can happen between municipalities in some countries.

      There are other countries as stupid as Germany? I thought we were alone!

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        Switzerland, Austria, … It’s more common than we think.

        My favorite case is the resurfacing of the road in the first municipal territory and less than a year later, the second municipality does it on its side.

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    Yes, the country where you see on Monday who is going to visit you on Tuesday and where the highest hills are the dikes

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    I know that place. The borders between the Ellestraat (Hulst, NL) and the Hellestraat (Stekene, BE).

    The right side of the street on the Belgian part is actually Dutch for a few 100 meters. If you look around on street view the part with a bicycle lane is Belgian, the part without it is Dutch.

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    i don’t want SEX i want USABLE BIKE LANES that have enough SPACE to ride my bike SAFELY alongside other TRANSPORT MODES

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    It’s so eerily flat there, it’s unsettling. I don’t understand how people can stand it.

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      As someone who grew up somewhere super flat it really doesn’t get to you because it’s all you’ve ever known. However, now that I live somewhere with hills it drives me crazy when I visit home.

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          I’m ok with it when music are what they’re alive with, though. As long as there’s no nazis 🤷

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        I can relate. I never imagined I would see someone complain or not understand what living on a flat area is like- it’s super easy! It’s the mountains and hills what’s difficult!

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          Hills are depth. They add character to any place for free. Oh you don’t like where you are right now? Just go up

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        The Netherlands doesn’t have good bicycle infrastructure because of the fact that the country is relatively flat - they have it because they prioritized safe streets in the 70s following the stop de kindermoord-campaign.

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          As far as public safety campaign titles go, “Stop the child murdering” is fucking metal! 😄🤘👌

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        Accidents happen in the Netherlands just like anywhere else. I’m half Dutch and my grandfather was hit by a car and killed there.

        “The bicycle was the most dangerous mode of transportation in 2022, with a total of 291 fatalities. The car came in second place, with 225 victims. By comparison, that year 57 pedestrians and 20 truck drivers were also killed in traffic accidents in the Netherlands.”

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          The numbers went up since the mass adoption of electric bikes. This caused especially elderly people to drive twice as fast as they could before, with heavier bikes they can’t control as well and they generally don’t wear helmets.

          The next big problem are young people doing what young people do but now with electric assistance

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            I didn’t even think about that, but it makes sense why the numbers seem much higher now. My grandfather (Opa) was killed in the early 90s… somewhere around Eindhoven… can’t remember exactly

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              Somewhere around Eindhoven in the early 90s, you say? 🤔

              Was Romário cleared before fleeing to Catalonia?😛

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          So, are those bikers fatal to themselves or are they killed because of other vehicles?

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          I think you have to look at the rate, accidents per km. That accounts for dutch using bikes more than other countries

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    The border-free zone is called the Schengen area. There are still some EU member states that aren’t included. Euronews article

    “Austria has blocked the accession of Romania and Bulgaria into Schengen, the passport-free area that has abolished border checks between the vast majority of EU member states.”